tables to chairs, dreams to joy, dream mastery leads to error in the formula?
Submitted by Administrator on Sat, 2008-01-19 03:31.
This is a continuation of comments posted in “A goal is a dream with a deadline” well worth exploring IMHO.
CJ:
“Both of these skills relate to the nightly dreams. They relate
as well to the day dream: someone originally thought up table, thought up chair, considered, configured and created these objects.”
SW:
Indeed, in order to create a table or chair someone had a thought. Cut down a tree, shape the parts, voila! It’s a table or chair. Now if someone simply thought “table” without following up with physical action in the day dream, nothing would have changed. This process seems a bit different than turning the table into a chair in a night dream.
Therefore in order to trade the table for a chair in the daydream all we need is a thought, will to do so and a hammer to break up the table and build a chair.
CJ:
“The assumption that "you" are the only player is the potential error: you are in the dream, but where does the dream material arise from?”
SW:
Immediately after originally posting the table/chair comment I started contemplating this error in the formula.
In a night dream the dreamer seems pretty much alone with their own unconscious. So with practice could transform the table into a chair just by thought and no physical action. After all the night dream is well… just a dream.
However in the day dream, we are not “alone” in the dream. We are surround by other people, some more conscious (or unconscious) than others. Therefore it might be quite difficult to transform a table into a chair considering all the other unconsciousnesses (is that a word?) out there that insist that the table remain a table and not a chair.
CJ:
“We can say in both the night dream and the day dream, the origination is the Unconscious. Therefore, when we speak of changing, or manipulating items in the dream world, night or day, we must first understand we are in dialogue with the Unconscious.”
SW:
It would seem we are all at the mercy of our unconscious? So if one were to master the dream state, night and day, one might be able to walk on water?
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Dreams of Tables, Chairs the Unconscious
If we insist on the solidity of objects, and of people, and of their separateness from us, then we are as you say, up against the others.
Luckily for us, we are not solid, we are not separate from each other.
Does that mean it will be easy to change the table into a chair or attempt any other transformation? No.
The history of people who have had innovative ideas and been greeted with scorn, oppression, ridicule lets us know it is not necessarily a simple or easy process.
Yet everything we take for granted today from computers to cars, from blenders to snowmobiles, came from someone having an idea and not resting until they saw it become a phyiscal thing.
That is transformation, but more slowly accomplished than the transformations at night, in dreams.